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We haven't discussed this but I'm totally disturbed by our military in the Ft Hood terrorist attack.
Our military is becoming too politically correct. I can assure you that in my 16 year career in the Military this would not have been tolerated.......what the hell is going on??

Fort Hood: Hasan's Warning Signs Ignored, Say Classmates
By MARK THOMPSON / WASHINGTON Mark Thompson / Washington – Wed Nov 18, 10:20 am ET
Nidal Malik Hasan struck some of his classmates as a "ticking time bomb" whose strange personality telegraphed trouble long before he allegedly killed 13 people at Fort Hood. While Hasan usually displayed a quiet and lonely demeanor that "made me feel sorry for him," says a fellow student who is enrolled for an advanced degree at the Pentagon's medical school, such sympathy was tempered by the alleged killer's repeated assertions in class that Muslims were being persecuted by the U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.


These students, speaking privately because they have been ordered not to speak publicly, say they're angry that what they view as political correctness led their superiors to ignore the warning signs witnessed by students and faculty at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. Two of them expressed a willingness to testify about Hasan's conduct in the 2007-08 school year but also expressed concern that the military's political sensitivities could compromise any Pentagon investigation. (See pictures of Hasan's apartment.)


"We asked him pointedly, 'Nidal, do you consider Shari'a law to transcend the Constitution of the United States?' And he said, 'Yes,' " a classmate told TIME on Monday. "We asked him if homicidal bombers were rewarded for their acts with 72 virgins in heaven and he responded, 'I've done the research - yes.' Those are comments he made in front of the class." But such statements apparently didn't trigger an inquiry. "I was astounded and went to multiple faculty and asked why he was even in the Army," the officer said. "Political correctness squelched any opportunity to confront him."


While military officials have warned against prejudging the case before the investigation is concluded, President Obama said on Nov. 14 that "if there was a failure to take appropriate action before the shootings, there must be accountability." Investigators have asked at least one classmate why he didn't file a formal complaint if he was upset by Hasan's comments. "I said, 'Sir, why should I have to when the faculty heard all of these things firsthand?' " the classmate says. "We shouldn't have had to say anything because these were all classroom assignments." Army and medical-school officials declined to comment on the allegations, citing the probe into the killings. (See TIME's photo-essay "The Troubled Journey of Major Hasan.")


As evidence about Hasan's background has leached onto the public record since the shooting, Republican lawmakers have become less reluctant to suggest that Hasan acted as a Muslim terrorist. "There's a lot of evidence that would lead reasonable people to believe that this was potentially an act of terrorism," Representative Peter Hoekstra of Michigan, senior GOP member of the intelligence committee, said on Tuesday. A Senator from Texas told Obama the same thing. "As more and more facts surrounding the Fort Hood attack surface," Republican Senator John Cornyn said in a letter to Obama that was released on Tuesday, "it looks increasingly probable that the alleged attacker, Major Nidal Hasan, heeded [Internet-based] terrorist calls to violence, compelled by a fanatical religious ideology." Cornyn stressed that while Islam isn't to blame for such attacks, comments like those allegedly made by Hasan in class should be investigated "regardless of whose particular sensitivities might be offended."


Several classmates suggested that Hasan seemed ill-suited for the Master's in Public Health Program at the Pentagon's medical school, where he was enrolled from 2007 to 2008. Unlike most of the 50 people enrolled, Hasan went straight into the program from his residency at Walter Reed, the Army's flagship hospital. That meant he had spent nearly a decade - medical school, residency and the fellowship - largely as a student before heading to the Texas Army post in July. "The American taxpayer gave this guy advanced degrees, and the bastard murdered 13 people," says the first classmate.


Hasan's very presence at the facility struck some older and more experienced classmates as strange. "We were asking, 'Why is this guy in this program?' " a third officer says. "He was straight out of his residency, he didn't seem very qualified and he didn't seem very academically rigorous." The officer also claims that reports from colleagues at Walter Reed suggested that Hasan had "had problems in his residency with discipline and problems interacting with patients." (Read TIME's cover story about Hasan.)


And then there were concerns raised by the political beliefs that Hasan espoused. "He wore his rigid Islam ideology on his sleeve and weaved it throughout his coursework," says the third classmate. "He would be standing there in uniform pledging allegiance to the Koran."


The third classmate says he witnessed at least three oral presentations by Hasan over the course of a year that focused on the morality of Muslims, war and justification for suicide bombers. "People were giving presentations on air quality or water quality, but he'd be full of psychobabble about how the persecution of Muslims justifies suicide bombers," the officer says. After a while, Hasan's classmates "would just roll our eyes saying, 'Here we go again.' "


Hasan's classmates say they cut him slack because he didn't scare them. The balding, chunky officer "wasn't an in-your-face, antagonistic, intimidating sort of person," the third classmate says. "He was almost serene, which probably explains why people weren't so alarmed by him." But his personality had a flip side: "You could tell he knew what he was doing when he provoked by saying these kinds of things," the third classmate says. "He was very rational, very studied about what he was saying and doing, and you could tell he knew he was intentionally being provocative."


The first classmate also complains about Hasan leaving lessons to pray: "He'd disrupt class by sitting in front and leaving for prayer. When one of us asked him to please sit in the back of the class so it wouldn't disrupt the rest of us when he left, he just looked at him with scorn." Hasan disdained gathering with his fellow students outside class, and they believe he failed to attend their master's graduation ceremony in mid-2008.


The classmates dispute the suggestion, in the immediate wake of the shooting, that Hasan's counseling of returning combat vets might have given him "PTSD by proxy." They say his Center for the Study of Traumatic Stress fellowship was essentially a full-time job, meaning Hasan saw relatively few patients in the two years before he headed for Fort Hood. His particular fellowship focused on "preventive/disaster psychiatry," according to the center's website. "This two-year program is designed to provide military psychiatrists with expertise," it says, "on preparing for, and responding to, mass casualty events."
 

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I can agree with you very much so. I'm limited to what I would like to say because I'm active duty and this is the internet. I've seen the political correctness first hand. Had 2 coworkers in VA that where Muslim and both could do just about anything. 1 worked for me and had 3 day weekends because Friday way his day of prayer and had to be gone to pray. Nothing we could do about it. They was from Egypt and Lebanon.

One on one I'll say how I really feel. But even then BIG DADDY IS ALWAYS WATCHING AND LISTENING.
 

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But even then BIG DADDY IS ALWAYS WATCHING AND LISTENING

I agree 100 percent Bull...Pretty good thing to always remember...Nothing we say in life is sacred...It seems it can always come back to haunt us...Hey...everyone on the forum have a wonderful gun season ;D ;D .......Sasakwa
 

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It sucks big time. As a vet i served right before 9-11 and in the combat arms areana we had to watch our languege during unit runs and all the normal PC [email protected]#. We even had to go through sexual harrasment training in an all male unit. Just the way of the world i guess i still dont like it though. They should of caught on to that MF and sent over seas as cannon fodder.
 

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I'm not in the military any more, but I know where you active guys are coming from. I was in during the riots in Watts, and Detroit, and we had to under go special training because of it even though we were 9000 miles away from it.
In my civilian life, I tend to call a spade a spade, and the Politically correct jerks can kiss my backside.
The only reason I don't say more is that it would violate the rules of this forum, but when a legitimate news report comes out containing facts, its no longer conjecture.
This country is in serious trouble following the path we are on.
 

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Anymore the military is all about the PC BS. Always having training on the do's and don't of what you can and can't say and do. The EO card is played to the max. If your like me and pull the EO card its back to training for who EO is supposed to be for. Anymore that EO card should be for me.

We had a big training day today at a local college auditorium. On the way out a group of people was waiting to shake out hand and thank each one of us for there freedom. It was very moving to me but if they only knew how thing really went these day in the military.

Its not the same Navy I joined nearly 12 years ago. Now I look forward to that 20 year mark if I make it that far.
 

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I made 16 years with active duty and Army Reserve time. Finally couldn't take it any longer.
 
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