[diggler1833]

Back to the original post; Great job on reaching out! Getting into long-range shooting is what got me back into the gun hobby. I cut my teeth shooting 1,000 yard matches in the Corps, but never really got into it during my off time. A few years later and the precision rifle game bug took ahold of me. I've actually never shot a PRS match, but the Good Lord has blessed me with having enough land here to have several impromptu ranges in excess of 800 yards. My favorite rifle to plink at range with is actually an M24 Return that I picked up a few years ago. It is not as accurate as some of the true precision rigs, but there is just something fun about ranging and dialing quickly.

 

[Bear Sits In The Woods]

I have never tried the long shots, seems fun just never tried. My entire life i have never hunted anywhere with a lot of shots over 75yds. I did however take a doe at 200yds once with my BP amazed myself and still bring it up when im around my cousins

 

[Bullbuster]

Dennis these are a couple pics from those fish I pulled from the belly of the beast trout.

 

[dennishoddy]

I work from home, I miss fishing. My neighbors were fined for fishing .. so I'm waiting for official permission for this.

That sucks. I’m looking forward to the after action reports that will determine if total lockdowns were necessary.
Oklahoma and 8 other states only recommends staying at home but it’s not a requirement.
Our fatality rate is no worse than states with total lock down.
Sweden kept everything open. Restaurants, hair salons etc. life went on as normal. They had people die, but it wasn’t any more percentage than the states in the US that didn’t have mandatory lockdowns.
I’m beginning to think there are deeper issues politically than we realize now.
The original projection was 2 million deaths.
The people putting out these projections keep trending them down, but the “control” group in the after action report won’t show anything near that.

 

[dennishoddy]

Dennis these are a couple pics from those fish I pulled from the belly of the beast trout.

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This is a pic of baby paddlefish. They don't develop the Rostrum(paddle nose) until later in life.

Identical to the fish you reported.

 

[murphranch]

That sucks. I’m looking forward to the after action reports that will determine if total lockdowns were necessary.
Oklahoma and 8 other states only recommends staying at home but it’s not a requirement.
Our fatality rate is no worse than states with total lock down.
Sweden kept everything open. Restaurants, hair salons etc. life went on as normal. They had people die, but it wasn’t any more percentage than the states in the US that didn’t have mandatory lockdowns.
I’m beginning to think there are deeper issues politically than we realize now.
The original projection was 2 million deaths.
The people putting out these projections keep trending them down, but the “control” group in the after action report won’t show anything near that.

I think they need to open everything back up, put everyone back to work and let the thinning of the herd begin. My thinking is it’s a lot like when the rabbit population gets high for several years and then all of a sudden they get some sort of ick and have a die off only to repopulate with a stronger and healthier population. We are all beasts in the eyes of the Lord. I know it is a different way of looking at things but the way I see it is it’s natures way.


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[Double Naught Spy]

I think they need to open everything back up, put everyone back to work and let the thinning of the herd begin. My thinking is it’s a lot like when the rabbit population gets high for several years and then all of a sudden they get some sort of ick and have a die off only to repopulate with a stronger and healthier population. We are all beasts in the eyes of the Lord. I know it is a different way of looking at things but the way I see it is it’s natures way.


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I am not sure you are wrong at all. There are too many people. Problem is, nobody wants to be part of the group that gets thinned out. For some strange reason, they don't want to die, or to suffer before dying.

However, the rabbit population never really grows back stronger and healthier. If that was really the case, we would have super rabbits by now. They go through a lot of population explosions and crashes.

 

[dennishoddy]

I stole this from another Source

Food for thought.

I was reading some posts for and against reopening the country. One was talking about being selfish and it got me to thinking.

There are those wanting to reopen yet they’re being classified as selfish. There are those that rely on all kinds of people to supply them while they cower in fear at home. Isn’t that being selfish too?

You expect your garbage to be picked up, you expect the grocery store to be open so you can get milk, you expect truck drivers to supply the stores, you expect farmers, meatpackers, fruit and vegetable pickers all to keep food in that grocery store.

You expect Amazon to still ship all the things you’re ordering while you sit at home shopping. You expect the delivery driver to leave it on your doorstep. You expect your phone to work, your power to stay on, and your mail to show up rain, sleet, or shine. And most important, you expect the doctors and nurses to be there if you need them although many of them across the country have been furloughed because their units and services have been shut down while the entire system focuses only on COVID19.

The whole premise of shelter in place is based on the arrogant idea that others must risk their health so you can protect yours. There is nothing virtuous about ignoring the largely invisible army required to allow people to shelter in place.

I know there are some of you that are screaming mad about what I just said but stop and really think about what is allowing you to stay safe in your home.
I truly believe that with some common sense on my part, I could easily go back to life as it was. I want to go to restaurants, I want to shop at the little store just up the road.

And yes, I could catch COVID-19. I could also catch the flu or a cold. I could get run over by a bus. I could get struck by lightning. We take risks everyday. If you choose to stay home, that is absolutely your choice. And please don’t start screaming at me about how I’ll just spread it. Why are you worried

 

[murphranch]

I am not sure you are wrong at all. There are too many people. Problem is, nobody wants to be part of the group that gets thinned out. For some strange reason, they don't want to die, or to suffer before dying.

However, the rabbit population never really grows back stronger and healthier. If that was really the case, we would have super rabbits by now. They go through a lot of population explosions and crashes.

Completely understand that view.


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[Bird (this time)]

That sucks. I’m looking forward to the after action reports that will determine if total lockdowns were necessary.
Oklahoma and 8 other states only recommends staying at home but it’s not a requirement.
Our fatality rate is no worse than states with total lock down.
Sweden kept everything open. Restaurants, hair salons etc. life went on as normal. They had people die, but it wasn’t any more percentage than the states in the US that didn’t have mandatory lockdowns.
I’m beginning to think there are deeper issues politically than we realize now.
The original projection was 2 million deaths.
The people putting out these projections keep trending them down, but the “control” group in the after action report won’t show anything near that.

And the biggest problem is we'll never know how many actual cases there really were. Without the testing being done properly, there is only a WAG as to what the percentages of how many, how many survived and how many died.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

That sucks. I’m looking forward to the after action reports that will determine if total lockdowns were necessary.
Oklahoma and 8 other states only recommends staying at home but it’s not a requirement.
Our fatality rate is no worse than states with total lock down.

I don't think it is as easy as simply comparing fatality rates between lockdown areas and non-lock down areas. There are a lot of factors at play such as population density, transit systems, work environments, etc. You mentioned Sweden. The entire country has a population density of 64 people per square mile. The US is 94 per square mile. New York City is 26403 per square mile. Now Sweden has about 18% more people than NYC (10.2 million vs. 8.4 million) and Sweden has just under 19k cases right now and New York City has 156,000 cases. New York City was on lockdown and cases are in decline. Sweden's cases continue to climb.

You mentioned fatality rates being about the same. You can have the same fatality rate in two different places and completely different levels of impact. The fatality rate is just the ratio of deaths from Covid-19 to the number of cases of Covid-19, but that doesn't tell you the total number of people involved, right? Oklahoma has nearly 4 million people, nearly half of New York City, but with only 3200 confirmed cases versus 156,000 in NYC. For comparison sake, let's hypothetically slightly more than double the the OK population and double the cases in OK to make them comparable, so you have 6500 cases in OK for just over 8 million people versions NYC's 156,000 cases for just over 8 million people. You can have the same rate of death, but the impact in NYC will be significantly higher because the infection rate was so much higher (24x), despite the death rate being the same.

And the biggest problem is we'll never know how many actual cases there really were. Without the testing being done properly, there is only a WAG as to what the percentages of how many, how many survived and how many died.

No, but then again, we don't know this information for a tremendous number of common maladies diagnosed based on Occam's Razor and/or confirmation bias. We really don't know how many people had the Spanish Flu and how many died. You can be certain that if anybody died with flu-like symptoms during the Spanish Flu, they were noted to have died of the Spanish Flu. Mind you, they could have died because of any other type of flu or similar viral infection such as a cold, but were recorded as Spanish Flu.

At the other end of the spectrum is the problem with under reporting. You can't be a statistic if you aren't reported. No doubt lots of people had the Spanish Flu that were never counted. The same will happen for Covid-19. However, folks are forced to work with the data that they do have.

 

[dennishoddy]

I don't think it is as easy as simply comparing fatality rates between lockdown areas and non-lock down areas. There are a lot of factors at play such as population density, transit systems, work environments, etc. You mentioned Sweden. The entire country has a population density of 64 people per square mile. The US is 94 per square mile. New York City is 26403 per square mile. Now Sweden has about 18% more people than NYC (10.2 million vs. 8.4 million) and Sweden has just under 19k cases right now and New York City has 156,000 cases. New York City was on lockdown and cases are in decline. Sweden's cases continue to climb.

You mentioned fatality rates being about the same. You can have the same fatality rate in two different places and completely different levels of impact. The fatality rate is just the ratio of deaths from Covid-19 to the number of cases of Covid-19, but that doesn't tell you the total number of people involved, right? Oklahoma has nearly 4 million people, nearly half of New York City, but with only 3200 confirmed cases versus 156,000 in NYC. For comparison sake, let's hypothetically slightly more than double the the OK population and double the cases in OK to make them comparable, so you have 6500 cases in OK for just over 8 million people versions NYC's 156,000 cases for just over 8 million people. You can have the same rate of death, but the impact in NYC will be significantly higher because the infection rate was so much higher (24x), despite the death rate being the same.



No, but then again, we don't know this information for a tremendous number of common maladies diagnosed based on Occam's Razor and/or confirmation bias. We really don't know how many people had the Spanish Flu and how many died. You can be certain that if anybody died with flu-like symptoms during the Spanish Flu, they were noted to have died of the Spanish Flu. Mind you, they could have died because of any other type of flu or similar viral infection such as a cold, but were recorded as Spanish Flu.

At the other end of the spectrum is the problem with under reporting. You can't be a statistic if you aren't reported. No doubt lots of people had the Spanish Flu that were never counted. The same will happen for Covid-19. However, folks are forced to work with the data that they do have.

There are reports I originally got from NYC that if one had covid and died of a blood clot or something not directly related to Covid, it was still counted as a Covid death no matter that Covid didn't directly have an impact on the death.
A friend in Ok that is a practicing MD confirmed that Oklahoma is required to do the same. So in my thinking that skews the actual deaths directly caused by the virus so the numbers we are seeing aren't exactly accurate, and may have been used to accent the severity of the virus to force lockdowns. I'll keep my tin foil hat on for now about why that forced lockdown was necessary.

I don't disagree with your math about the fatality rate. There are so many variables and you brought them up nicely that its difficult to tell what is really working because of the variables.
The difference with Sweden is that the country is operating as normal with restaurants, concerts, etc still going on vs the total lockdown with enforcement by law in some states. When you look at NYC for example with the density you mentioned, there is no public transportation, no subways operating, the streets are empty yet they experienced the worst death toll of all per capita in the US according to sources mid April.
California with a higher total population and a high density population basically was spared the worst of the virus. I've read some theories that that was because of the international traffic into and out of NYC is much higher than California so NYC had more carriers to spread the virus initially.
Somehow I have doubts with those theories. NYC has three international airports while California has 12.
Unless the Medical community knew the identities of every person coming into the US from either coast and knew if they were asymptomatic, I don't see how that can be true.

The after action reports I referenced are starting to trickle out now, and its all politics for the most part. The blame game is on about who should have done more, who shifted patients to nursing homes of friends of politicians for profit in NYC while the Hospital Ship in the harbor never saw over 100 patients at any given time and the huge temporary hospital built in NYC by the COE and staffed by the Military largely went unused.

l've found this video really interesting.

https://youtu.be/zb6j7o1pLBw

We are living in trying times right now.

 

[Bullbuster]

It’s all a Chinese conspiracy for a one world communist order. I say we all buy America Made Scat, get drunk and get lucky!!

 

[Bird (this time)]

It’s all a Chinese conspiracy for a one world communist order. I say we all buy America Made Scat, get drunk and get lucky!!

That's been my life for at least 37yrs, welcome to the party!

 

[dennishoddy]

l've found this video really interesting.

https://youtu.be/zb6j7o1pLBw

We are living in trying times right now.

Apparently YouTube removed this video that was seen and liked by millions, saying it violated community rules. What rules?

It wasn't pornographic, didn't violate copyright rules, or exhibit violence. So why was it really taken down?

Who was it that didn't like that opinion of trained Medical Doctors speaking honestly and decided to quash it from public view?

Hmmm it was Google that owns YouTube that banned it. The CEO of YouTube admitted it on CNN today saying it was misinformation.

Well, lets put that into some context. If CNN and the liberal left don't like your opinion on their part of the internet, they just delete it because it doesn't meet the narrative they have produced about the "pandemic".

People are not allowed to have a differing opinion than theirs because they know so much more than Medical Doctors and their learned opinions do not matter and might just be dangerous to the leftist.
Just more of the "after action reports" that are coming out daily now.

 

[RedSon]

You are lucky people. I can't leave my home for many reasons and I'm missing so much fun! Damn!

 

[Bird (this time)]

One of my nephews is a high falutin' doctor that lives in NC, he and his entire family are going on a trip all over the world in 2 weeks. He hasn't been worried about this virus from the get go and said that it's manufactured hype. So if he believes this enough to take his family off to foreign lands and risk their health, there might be something to what he's saying.

 

[Bullbuster]

You are lucky people. I can't leave my home for many reasons and I'm missing so much fun! Damn!

Welcome to OKH. Tell us a bit about yourself. What’s keeping you from venturing out and about?

 

[Bird (this time)]

Enjoyed sitting outside and watching the storm clouds yesterday with a nice brew. Storms didn't hit at my place, but went all around us.

 

[dennishoddy]

Enjoyed sitting outside and watching the storm clouds yesterday with a nice brew. Storms didn't hit at my place, but went all around us.

The storms developed right over the top of us and went East. We got as little sprinkle.